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Poster: Greg K Date: Aug 11, 2008 7:08am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: The original 1910 film by Edison is

Found this link (couldn't find what you said were renewal-related):

http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=1&;ti=1,1&Search_Arg=frankenstein%201931&Search_Code=FT*&CNT=25&PID=K-xi3AOnSBRsxJL9f8sGuqf9ALn&SEQ=20080811100607&SID=15

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 11, 2008 10:13am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: The original 1910 film by Edison is

Thanks, that was something! I had my search specifically limited to movies, yet that record didn't have a "type of work" listed, so the following record was excluded. Tricky place.

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Type of Work: Recorded Document

Document Number: V3511D609

Date of Recordation:
2004-06-01

Entire Copyright Document:
V3511 D609-610 P1-12

Date of Execution: 18Jun03; date of cert.: 27May04

Title: Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein & 413 other titles;
feature length motion pictures. (Part 001 of 002)

Notes: Exclusive license.

Party 1: Universal City Studios Productions, LLLP.

Party 2: Home Box Office, Inc., as successor in interest to Home Box
Office, a division of Time Warner Entertainment Company,
LP.

Names: Universal City Studios Productions, LLLP.
Home Box Office, Inc.
Home Box Office
Time Warner Entertainment Company, LP. Home Box Office
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FWIW More titles in that same licensing tranch with Frankenstein (1931):
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/doctitles.cgi?V3511D609
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/doctitles.cgi?V3511D610

BTW What I meant by "renewal" is that the film has an original copyright notice on it from 1931, but to avoid lapsing into PD, would have had to have been copyright-renewed appropriately later on, as evidenced somewhere in the copyright.gov listings. Can one infer from the above that Frankenstein's copyright had been renewed at some point, in order for Universal to grant an exclusive license to HBO? I leave that to someone more knowlegeable.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-08-11 17:13:30

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Aug 11, 2008 3:17pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: The original 1910 film by Edison is

I come from Australia. Here Frankenstien is fully PD and has been available from all the budget video labels for 20+ years.

The Universal monster movies may have perpetual copyright in USA because Universal (and/or the estates of the horror stars) have exclusive trademarks on their representations of the PD characters the films are based on. The restored editions of Frankenstien are also based on the uncensored version of the film which was not published until the early 1980s.

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Poster: Greg K Date: Aug 11, 2008 3:34pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: The original 1910 film by Edison is

"The Universal monster movies may have perpetual copyright in USA because Universal (and/or the estates of the horror stars) have exclusive trademarks on their representations of the PD characters the films are based on. The restored editions of Frankenstein are also based on the uncensored version of the film which was not published until the early 1980s."

Yep, that explains it (I hadn't even though of that in my last reply). You want a lawsuit from Sara Karloff, Ron Chaney, or Bela Lugosi Jr., go right ahead and post one of their relatives' films here. You're also correct about the restored version of FRANKENSTEIN, which Universal finally released 20 years ago (with, among other things, the restored scene of the drowning of little Maria)....and Universal obviously was able to put a new copyright onto the film...at least that version, which would make sense.

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Poster: Seto-Kaiba_Is_Stupid Date: Aug 11, 2008 3:40pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: The original 1910 film by Edison is

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Here Frankenstien is fully PD and has been available from all the budget video labels for 20+ years.
\\unquote\\

WTF???I live in Australia, and I have NEVER seen a single budget DVD of that film at my local shopping center. Again, WTF??

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Aug 11, 2008 3:46pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: The original 1910 film by Edison is

MRA had it and Bride out in their Silver Screams series.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29528137@N08/2755141932/
they are the last two on the bottom row right.

Magna Pacific had Frankenstien and Bride and a 3 pack with The Black Cat. Magna also had The Mummy and The Raven out.

RBC/Avenue One had Frankenstien out. Showtime had a mega budget version that you could get at $2 shops. So did Flashback.

Hollywood House/BigSkyVideo have a budget version of Dracula. RBC had that out for a while too.

Payless had a few of them out ages ago. They are getting through most of their old stuff in 2fers so they'll probably get around to reissuing the monster films.

Budget DVDs come and go here. Mostly put out in one-off print runs for a chain of stores. I always find this sort of stuff at JB Hi-Fi, EzyDVD, Go-Lo, Hot Dollar, Dollar King, Mad Hatter, Reject Shop and indie DVD shops.